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Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 08:02:00 - [1] Originally by: SirMolle Offer to corporations based in GQ2S refinery. We know that you do not really want this, we know that you are suffering form the siege of your system, we know that its hurting you. We will offer you a way out, the non-hostile way, before we lay total siege to the system. Lay down your arms, and drop the sov claims on ths system, and you will be allowed to stay. This offer will go off the table in 1 week. Please contact Louisa Torres for details. Tick Tock Translation: ASCN will jump in 40 carriers and instapop my dreads with fighter swarms, if the node doesnt crash, so I'd like an easy way out if possible. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:18:00 - [2] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: SirMolle Offer to corporations based in GQ2S refinery. We know that you do not really want this, we know that you are suffering form the siege of your system, we know that its hurting you. We will offer you a way out, the non-hostile way, before we lay total siege to the system. Lay down your arms, and drop the sov claims on ths system, and you will be allowed to stay. This offer will go off the table in 1 week. Please contact Louisa Torres for details. Tick Tock If you wish to discuss how to minimize lag, please do. If you wish to discuss whatever else that doesnt concern this offer, please do, AND, do it elsewhere. This thread does have a purpose, and the purpose is simple, to show the people who live in GQ2 that they have options. No, the purpose of this thread is a blatant 'divide and conquer' strategy. Weaken the enemy by offering false options and turning them against each other. YOU are the ones who want a fight, apparently. The problem is, you know its not a fight you can actually win. POS seiges will be extremely costly. You will likely lose a large proportion of your dreads to fighter swarms (we all know ASCN can field a massive amount of carriers). So instead, you try 'Divide and Conquer'. Not bad. But people can see though such an obvious attempt to do so, which considerably lessens its impact.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 11:26:00 - [3] Originally by: MeatwagonUK Obviously I'm with ASCN on this, but one thing i can't understand, is why they continued to log their ships in knowing that Bob were waiting for them when they did. Surely soemone on their TS could've told them not to after the first couple died? We all know ASCN arent the most experienced PvPers, they have a very large diversified alliance with many younger members. Which is precisely why BoB targetted them and not an entity like D2. They wouldn't be able to do an ego-massaging 'look how many nubs we killed' summary post after the war otherwise (think Goons/Huzzah). Its all about the ego.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Butter Dog We all know ASCN arent the most experienced PvPers, they have a very large diversified alliance with many younger members. Which is precisely why BoB targetted them and not an entity like D2. They wouldn't be able to do an ego-massaging 'look how many nubs we killed' summary post after the war otherwise (think Goons/Huzzah). Its all about the ego. Fine - tell your your recent kill/loss ratios with CELES/TOXIN. Tell me your kill/loss ratios whe you fought G Alliance. Suddenly you look distinctly average.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros Originally by: Butter Dog Which is precisely why BoB targetted them and not an entity like D2. They wouldn't be able to do an ego-massaging 'look how many nubs we killed' summary post after the war otherwise (think Goons/Huzzah). Its all about the ego. oh please. Look at the map. D2 = long way away, ASCN = right next door. If you plan on slicing off chunks of space you don't go do it at the other end of the map from your home ground. D2 = extremely good PvPers. ASCN = mostly industrial. Who are you trying to kid? Its not going to work this time. Maybe next you can target IAC or ISS, for another equally great PvP 'challenge' and some more forum ego-massaging.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Butter Dog We all know ASCN arent the most experienced PvPers, they have a very large diversified alliance with many younger members. Which is precisely why BoB targetted them and not an entity like D2. They wouldn't be able to do an ego-massaging 'look how many nubs we killed' summary post after the war otherwise (think Goons/Huzzah). Its all about the ego. Every time we attack someone, we get told that we're taking the easy route because there is someone bigger and badder. The majority of these pointless monlogues ends with us being told to attack a worth opponent, usually ASCN. The time comes when we choose to engage ASCN, and now the same people come out of the woodwork to play down there achievements and standing in the game? The majority of people I know have respect for ASCN and what they've achieved. We're fighting them because BoB is a war machine that is fueled by fighting challenging opponents, and we hope that is what we get from ASCN. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, your peers in the EVE community would appreciate it if you cease and desist until you can offer an informed one. Come off it. AAA are right next door. Try them. D2 are a little further north. If you really wanted a good fight you wouldnt target a mainly industrial alliance, then try the 'divide and conquer' approach even then. You don't want a good hard fight, you want a slaughter, then you want to massage your egos on the forums. Its getting very tired and predictable.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/10/2006 13:15:51 Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 01/10/2006 13:09:36 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Butter Dog We all know ASCN arent the most experienced PvPers, they have a very large diversified alliance with many younger members. Which is precisely why BoB targetted them and not an entity like D2. They wouldn't be able to do an ego-massaging 'look how many nubs we killed' summary post after the war otherwise (think Goons/Huzzah). Its all about the ego. Fine - tell your your recent kill/loss ratios with CELES/TOXIN. Tell me your kill/loss ratios whe you fought G Alliance. Suddenly you look distinctly average. Why would i need to tell you when you can check yourself So, go ahead and keep track of last 8 months. Then reply again Anyway..you my friend are lost caise From your own killboard, here is an example from a D2 corp: Cataclsym Enterprises: Kills against BoB 711 (258 battleships), Losses 475 (115 battleships). In fact, nearly EVERY D2 PvP corp equally or beats you on ship kills. No wonder you are staying down south. Oh, but great work against your kills/loss ratio against the X-Tradin Company, this clearly proves you are the most uber PvPers in game The only lost cause here is the tired predictability of your ego-swelling forum whoring.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:21:00 - [8] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/10/2006 13:23:06 Originally by: TWD Originally by: Butter Dog From your own killboard, here is an example from a D2 corp: Cataclsym Enterprises: Kills against BoB 711 (258 battleships), Losses 475 (115 battleships). The only lost cause here is the tired predictability of your ego-swelling forum whoring. Participations. 10 corps vs bob, each corp loses a ship and kill 10 of bobs ships total. 10vs10 in kills. 10:1 in killratio for every corp. That is why comparing corp stats (unless they only fight on their own) against bob doesn't show an accurate picture. Why pay so much attention to our alliance in the first place? Because I dislike your ego-driven forum 'campaigns'. Simple as that. I dislike the way you claim to be the best PvPers in game, yet whenever you fight good PvP corps you just look average. Its not difficult to take a soft target, get a great kill/loss ratio, and boast about it. But we all know exactly why you are not up North fighting D2, and its nothing to do with the inconvience of getting there. And don't give me the BS about 'participations', D2 is relatively new and we all know how the industrial corps which were once TRUST have not participated on many of those killmails. Stop deluding yourself.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Hast Hi I'm butterdog, hailing from the crappiest combat pilots ever. Now I'm ganking miners in low sec. LOOK AT ME, I'M BASHING BOB!!! I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BUT I DO IT ANYWAYS!!!! p.s. your fanboi package is in the mail I love it when people can't address in arguement in a sensible manner, and resort to retarded immature smack like this. Well done for showing yourself up on a public forum. Nice work.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Butter Dog [ I love it when people can't address in arguement in a sensible manner, and resort to retarded immature smack like this. Well done for showing yourself up on a public forum. Nice work. So predictable. Love how you guys just clam up when faced with evidence of your own distincly average stats against decent PvP corps.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:46:00 - [11] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Butter Dog [ I love it when people can't address in arguement in a sensible manner, and resort to retarded immature smack like this. Well done for showing yourself up on a public forum. Nice work. So predictable. Love how you guys just clam up when faced with evidence of your own distincly average stats against decent PvP corps. I think its more funny you think you are someone in eve If you haven't done any significant thing in eve i dont think you can judge decisions of people who did. But hell who am i, just another noob like you Anyone is entited to express an opinion, provided it is reasoned and based on evidence, and they can argue their case. I don't presume to 'be' anyone. But I have an opinion based on experience and evidence, and I am vocal in that. Judging from the BoB responses I am getting, I have clearly touched a nerve. But anyone can see that their tired old tactic of picking soft targets, and then blostering their egos with frankly expected kill-loss ratios is getting boring.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 13:47:00 - [12] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/10/2006 13:48:42 Originally by: Hast Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hast Hi I'm butterdog, hailing from the crappiest combat pilots ever. Now I'm ganking miners in low sec. LOOK AT ME, I'M BASHING BOB!!! I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BUT I DO IT ANYWAYS!!!! p.s. your fanboi package is in the mail I love it when people can't address in arguement in a sensible manner, and resort to retarded immature smack like this. Well done for showing yourself up on a public forum. Nice work. Well, let me waste five minutes of my precious time replying to your pointless and frankly humorous forum posting. You really have nothing to say aslong as you have nothing to show. And really, you do have absolutely diddley squat to show. You are in a two bit ganker corp killing miners in low sec. I dont mind you doing that, but you should not really comment on things you have nothing with... Did I miss anything, is there anything else you would like to discuss? P.S. I upgraded your fanboy package to the platinum edition Oh, bitter little Hast. I'm pointing out a few facts he doesnt like, so he goes all spiteful. Grow up. Honestly, you guys are like a stuck record. Just admit you go after soft targets, and your stats are very average against other decent PvP corps. It's not difficult, but I doubt your egos could handle it.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 14:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Ab Initio RKK: 244:44 (5.5:1) EVOL: 145:51 (2.8:1) BNC: 238:41 (5.8:1) DICE: 156:67 (2.3:1) TAOSP: (left out as they've only just setup). These stats are MEANINGLESS. Actually they are not, but for them to have relevance you will have to remove the industial corps in D2 and compare against the PvP ones. Which is what I have done. They beat you hands down.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 14:44:00 - [14] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Butter Dog [ I love it when people can't address in arguement in a sensible manner, and resort to retarded immature smack like this. Well done for showing yourself up on a public forum. Nice work. So predictable. Love how you guys just clam up when faced with evidence of your own distincly average stats against decent PvP corps. I think its more funny you think you are someone in eve If you haven't done any significant thing in eve i dont think you can judge decisions of people who did. But hell who am i, just another noob like you Anyone is entited to express an opinion, provided it is reasoned and based on evidence, and they can argue their case. I don't presume to 'be' anyone. But I have an opinion based on experience and evidence, and I am vocal in that. Judging from the BoB responses I am getting, I have clearly touched a nerve. But anyone can see that their tired old tactic of picking soft targets, and then blostering their egos with frankly expected kill-loss ratios is getting boring. Nothing wrong having an opinion, but opinions can be kept to yourself. Cause you are giving an opinion that BoB are loosers cause they attack "an easy" target that YOU dont find suitable. In this cause your opinion doesn't mean anything cause they dont care. And the only nerve you are hitting is the annoying one, why cause you critisize bob in every thread they are in and that offcourse is far off giving just an opinion. You can keep on posting in bob threads about "bob are loosers cause they always attack the most weak" but i dont think they will every change it because of you. And as i read you are the bitter one in this case. Just go ingame, let bob go and enjoy the game I didnt say at any stage they were 'losers'. They are good PvPers. I simply pointed out that against other decent PvP corps their stats are average. They love posting after conflicts like Goon/Huzzah/ASCN about their kill stats, then they all gather round in a big ego-swelling circle-jerk to congratulate themselves. Fact is, they are good PvPers like any other good PvP corp. What I dislike is their warped superiority complex and ego-massaging forum whoring. With regards to my opinions, I'd rather not keep them to myself on a discussion forum thank you.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 14:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Hast well really, there is no pleasing you guys. If we went after D2 we would get the oooh, why didnt you hit a big target like ASCN. So really, I'm not bitter and no I dont care about your stats. cos in the end, they are ten times better then what you will ever achieve. so stuff it please Actually my stats are really good because I, like you guys, go after soft targets. Difference is I admit it.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 15:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Given this thread has devolved into the typical drama laden smack fest and the purpose of the thread was for Sir Molle to announce an option to a very specific group of folks in a very specific system, I will leave this thread to that purpose. Tick Tock. If he really wanted to do that he would have mailed the CEO's of the appropriate organisations. This has nothing to do with that. Its about Divide and Conquer, and ego. Simple as that.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.01 15:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Butter Dog Actually my stats are really good because I, like you guys, go after soft targets. Difference is I admit it. ASCN is probably the hardest target in the game to take full on. Would you stop talking crap, your credibility died 6 threads ago. Yes, if the intention is to conquer their space and take the stations as things currently stand. Almost impossible with current game dynamics. We both know this isnt about that, its about 'divide and conquer' and slaughtering less experienced PvP fleets. Then, it will be followed by the oh-so-predictable stats about how a decidicated PvP alliance gets a good kill/loss ratio on a mostly industrial alliance. Well, quelle f***ing suprise.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.02 13:33:00 - [18] Originally by: welsh wizard If we lose so be it, if we win so be it but don't you dare accuse my corp of not bringing it when its remotely feasible. Almost every fight that we fought against you we had to do it against 2:1 odds because we just couldn't match your support. We accept that as a given, support doesn't matter in our eyes aslong as we can match our opponents firepower, thats why we do so well. Good setups, great FC's and balls of steel. I hear nothing but good things about CELES. We have a group of skilled, bold pilots bringing it to one of the largest PvP alliances in the game, and getting a very respectable kill-loss ratio. What you do is far more worthy of praise than another tiresome BoB campaign against Nubs and Industrialists followed by the usual BoB creaming over kill/loss ratios. As if they expected a really tough fight against Goons/Huzzah/ASCN from the fleet combat perspective. I mean, really. Respect to CELES for what you do. Keep it up
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.02 13:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Hehulk Just so you know Avancade, Butter Dog was FC for the ISSN for their stint in EC-P8R a few months back. He did have the nads then to engage BNC multiple times, so get your facts straight No wonder he's so bitter. As you should know avancade, when we jumped an equal sized fleet on top of you on the Torrinos gate, called you primary, and you all jumped out. Very brave. During our stint in EC-P we destroyed twice as much ISK than you did. Not bad for a bunch of nubs. You guys were very good PvPers of course, but not as good as Exanimo/Doom et al.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Kryztal ROFL, i think your right Cy. He indeed seems very bitter. If anything, I was frustrated we could not get good fights out of you. You didnt engage when the odds were equal, simple as that. We had to use frigate/fighter hit and runs on stray HAC's/BS's (very effectively) since we knew that if we jumped everything we had, you would only engage if there was a certainty you would win. OR, if there was a large bait gang a few jumps out. This comes back to your concerns about kill/loss and is why, although I think you are very good PvPers, I enjoyed fighting other entities far more.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Hehulk Just so you know Avancade, Butter Dog was FC for the ISSN for their stint in EC-P8R a few months back. He did have the nads then to engage BNC multiple times, so get your facts straight No wonder he's so bitter. As you should know avancade, when we jumped an equal sized fleet on top of you on the Torrinos gate, called you primary, and you all jumped out. Very brave. During our stint in EC-P we destroyed twice as much ISK than you did. Not bad for a bunch of nubs. You guys were very good PvPers of course, but not as good as Exanimo/Doom et al. I'm not Avancade. Yeah the quotes didnt go back that far.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:06:00 - [22] Originally by: AvanCade Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Kryztal ROFL, i think your right Cy. He indeed seems very bitter. If anything, I was frustrated we could not get good fights out of you. You didnt engage when the odds were equal, simple as that. We had to use frigate/fighter hit and runs on stray HAC's/BS's (very effectively) since we knew that if we jumped everything we had, you would only engage if there was a certainty you would win. OR, if there was a large bait gang a few jumps out. This comes back to your concerns about kill/loss and is why, although I think you are very good PvPers, I enjoyed fighting other entities far more. Yes yes sorry we suck and you are so uber...forgive us. You're forgiven. Now next time, don't run away from an equally sized gang.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.02 15:18:00 - [23] Originally by: AvanCade Take my response however you want, i am not one for too many forum posts to safice your needs for an argument, you know where to find me ingame. Sitting on an Empire gate waiting to jump through when something with a gun arrives?

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